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360 Fanboys Let Microsoft Get Away With Too Much
- Wednesday, 28 October 2009
People complain about PS3 fanboys all the time. That much is a given. Whether or not it is fair that they do so, it's what goes on in the media. Hell, we had Jim Sterling use the age old “SDF” to describe them in one article (hey Jim, you do know sonydefenseforce.com was made by the Wii60.com owner to parody Sony fanboys, right? And he still denies having anything to do with it to this day, right? Not like Rob Foor even does that good of a job at parodying them, anyway.)
However, one thing the so-called “SDF” does well at (see what I did there?) is being able to get Sony to implement new things, and still be able to call them out when things are not going right. They were able to get Sony to up their game, think about a price cut, push the boundaries of the hardware, develop new IPs, and soon implement cross game chat and Netflix (c'mon, you have to think Sony is going to put the two on one firmware update). In short, Sony fanboys don't let Sony just get away with everything
This is more than what I can say about 360 fanboys, and it's a wonder why there are so many articles about Sony fanboys being the “scum of the Earth” and not one thing about the 360 fanboys that have actually painted Microsoft into its own corner. Yes, there are more than one problem with 360 fanboys, but the main thing is this:

Yes, there are many issues that I have with 360 fanboys, but this is the main thing. You don't have to look any further than the recent admission by Major Nelson that with the next update, all third party data storage options will be locked out of the 360. Now, I know this came as a shocker to many people, especially when instructions of how to replace the PS3 HDD is included in the manual and you can get as much as 500GB into your system, and with the price of the first party HD that Microsoft provides.
Many use third party devices, and if you are lucky enough to know how to do it, replace the HD yourself. However, Nelson never made it clear if he meant ONLY the Datel memory cards (yes, Datel WAS pissed off about the decision) or any HD that wasn't Microsoft approved. This was a bitch move by Microsoft (one that they haven't answered any concerns about since then), as it forces people to have to buy the overpriced first party option. Why not? If you were lucky enough to give the HD enclosure a 500GB drive for the 360, you're only allowed to use the amount that the system lets you use (120GB, last I read). So it would be right for people to be upset, right?
Not the 360 fanboys. I've yet to see one peep out of them. In fact, I've seen some excusing or even praising this decision. Why? Do they not see the issue that Microsoft is creating here? Do they not know that they could have an impact on how Microsoft does their business? If even their most loyal customers stop being pleased and accepting everything they do, then they could change something about it. Instead, the real 360 gamers are left holding the bag while Microsoft never sees the need to change their game because its sheep follow them anywhere they go.
But that isn't the only thing that gets excused. How about the multi-disc issue. Never mind the glitchiness of Forza 3. How about the 2 disc issue of it? If you don't have a HD (as many Arcade owners can claim), you're shit out of luck for the full game (unless you buy the overpriced option), since you have to install one disc to be able to experience the full game on the other. What about when Star Ocean was released on three discs with that entire disc swapping fiasco that happened there? Or Halo 3: ODST on two? This day in age, this is inexcusable with Blu-Ray being readily available (with Microsoft making it a point to deny its customers even the OPTION for the 360), and undoubtedly with disc formats with even MORE storage capabilities being invented.

Instead, they applaud another thing that they shouldn't be: the exclusive DLC deals. Yes, they've been discussed way too many times, but there is a reason for continuing to bring them up. How many times have new games or new IPs been pushed to the side in favor of getting two DLC episodes from Rockstar, or an extra level from Eidos, or all the issues surrounding the Fallout 3 DLC? What did it actually do for sales of the game on the 360? Not much, apparently, because it only gave us another reason to hate Bethesda, it didn't do much to promote Tomb Raider: Underworld on the 360 (we never heard about the extra level ever again after the initial announcement), and the 50 million dollars that Rockstar apparently got for the two GTA4 episodes (a deal we STILL don't know all the details of even to this day) was for delayed DLC and Rockstar apparently used that to fund the PS3 exclusive Agent.
Hell, two of Microsoft's releases that were hyped up so much were the GTA4 episodes that you KNOW will hit the PS3 sometimes soon with knowing how many of these third party exclusives that Microsoft buys up ends up somewhere else before a year after the initial release. This is all in favor or shutting down first party studios and Dan Greenwald having to act like a complete douchebag about Forza 3. This is all to do one thing: beat Sony by using multiplatform games as the weapon. Major problem when the game you promote is still being released on another platform. Obviously true gamers would be upset over things like this, and I can see where 360 fanboys would applaud such deals.

I'm not saying that some exclusive DLC isn't good (notice that I'm saying nothing about the Joker DLC), but when you have that much as a way to tout something INSTEAD of other things as opposed to having exclusive DLC in ADDITION to first party titles like Uncharted 2 and inFamous (though that list is not limited to those two games), then you have a problem. Plus, not having the Joker DLC didn't take away from the excellent experience that was Batman: Arkham Asylum. What was the end result of the GTA4 DLC? A crippled GTA experience (not saying GTA4 wasn't good, but it was overhyped and crippled in comparison to San Andreas or even Vice City). So 360 fanboys would rather Microsoft continue with these ways and pass up new games in favor of DLC?

And how about XBL? The PSN is catching up to (and, in some minds, have surpassed) Xbox Live in terms of quality and features. Yet, we still have the 50 dollar a year price point for XBL in addition to the Netflix fees and shit, and though it WAS Michael Patcher pointing it out (take it for what it was worth), there WAS that issue regarding the price of the Gold membership, when the Silver is a fucking JOKE to begin with, moving up to 100 bucks. Though we doubt that will happen (we hope we're right), we don't see the outrage from fanboys about the 100 dollar possibility, even. And they are MORE than happy to fork over 50 dollars for things like Facebook and Twitter while somehow claiming that XBL is light years ahead of PSN.
I must disclaim myself because while I'm not a PS3 fanboy (I'm not by writing this, either), I'm more than happy to consider myself a PSN one because it has grown by leaps and bounds in such a short amount of time, and all the games I've bought off of the PSN Store, I've enjoyed. I have many reasons for picking PSN over XBL, and I'm sure many other have, as well, and I cannot see how 360 fanboys can excuse and accept to pay 50 dollars just to play online with friends or do things that you can do on PSN or even on the PC for free. Hell, Steam doesn't even charge you extra, as far as I know, to play with buddies. Why is this so excused so often?
The biggest issue, though, is the mark of the beast: the infamous Red Ring of Death. Yes, it's been eluded to several times, and yes, some people do get tired of hearing about it. However, how many times have we heard the horror stories? How many times have we thought that the issues were taken care of, only to have them reappear again? What about the other hardware issues, like the jet-like motor (it sounds like a fucking motor) of the 360? The scratching of discs when put into the 360 without any prior abuse or irregular conditions the system is in when running the game?

This is the biggest issue I have with the fanboys (and perhaps some 360 gamers, who I have no problem with otherwise). They are too ready to buy another 360 when the first, second, or even third one craps out on them. Why is it that this gets so excused and not called out by anyone? Yeah, we see some blogs continue to bring it up (and they don't bring them up for flame bait reasons. More on that in a moment), and the mainstream media even got in on the fun when the 360 launched, but now, other than that, we see some blogs stick up for MS when systems die, and we see people buying their SEVENTH 360 (and that's NOT an exaggeration, though how I wish it WAS), and fanboys tout it as just a minor problem, with some even claiming that it's “never happened to them”. Okay, maybe not the RRoD, but what about the scratched discs, or the motor (yeah, must be a fucking motor)?
Point is: when is enough enough to the fanboys? Blogs don't post these things to flame bait, or to spite the other side, but because we would LOVE for Microsoft to address these issues (and I mean seriously address them instead of trying to put a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound). They, and me now, bring these things up not because we hate the 360. Hell, if we hated it, we would've just let Microsoft keep doing these same things and let them fall. We bring these things up because we're hoping that Microsoft actually LISTENS to us and answers to them. We would love for Microsoft to finally fix the hardware issues, to focus more on their own system and new games rather than pleasing third parties.
Just because they hold a grudge, make the 50 dollars a year for XBL actually WORTH it, seriously bring up the multi-disc issue, and give us another, more cost-effective storage option. This isn't us asking Microsoft to give the world to us. This is asking MS to do things that we've seen other game console companies do, without consequence, without anything major happening to them as a result. These are things that they could at least address, seriously, TODAY! Yet, when we bring these up, we don't see serious discussions come out of the fanboys, but rather us lumped into the “SDF” box by those who SHOULD be the FIRST ones agreeing with us that something needs to be fixed.

Simply put, this is the reason why Microsoft never changes their strategy. Why change it when you have too many of your fanboys ready to follow you? Why do anything about the things they should address when fanboys are so ready buy their seventh 360, or pay 50 dollars, or accept DLC over new games, or pay 100 dollars for 120GB when you can get 500GB for less than that out of third party HDs, or swapping discs every ten minutes (maybe that's not an exaggeration after all)?
I wrote that Tough Love for Microsoft article about a month ago, and I stand behind that article. Maybe if those same people who bitched at me about why I wrote it would bitch at Microsoft about why these points are never addressed, we won't HAVE to write such articles.
Though I am not holding my fucking breath for the MDF (the “Mircosoft Defense Force”! See what I did THERE, Rob Foor?) to pull through.
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2009-10-28 21:10:28 |116.50.201.xxx| tarbis
Another satisfied queer a*s xbot. Seriously, how much M$ is paying you?
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2009-10-29 05:25:51 |89.211.157.xxx| Bozo - That's what the author is talking about
People like you dragging the industry backward you xbox fagboy
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2009-10-29 14:30:42 |69.181.181.xxx| Jack-O - HAW!
It's funny because you don't address any of his valid points. (And I own a 360, knuckle dragger, so don't even try it)
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2009-10-28 18:53:26 |82.36.152.xxx| MetalGearRising
Poor Sony a*s wipe. Go cry to someone else no one cares about your pathetic Article.
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2009-10-28 21:11:58 |116.50.201.xxx| tarbis
I think you should change your name to Microsoft Gay Rising. Coz that's what you are, and you'r ready to suck M$ dick anytime of the day.
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2009-10-28 19:01:22 |Publisher| darkpower
You know, it's always the usual people saying the usual immature things.
Thing is, you two just proved my point right: you would rather say things like THAT towards whoever brought these points up rather than actually DISCUSSING anything that was brought up.
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2009-10-28 19:45:35 |76.64.103.xxx| Karan - True
Good Article man, good article. I sent it to a friend of mine, who is a bit of a 360 fan boy. Saw him later, and I asked about it. With a straight face, he tells me its completely true and caught him off guard. Hes still a 360 fanboy, but an informed one. As for me, PS3 all the way. Im no brand-fanboy either. I had an xbox last generation because it was better, I have a PS3 this generation because it is better. And until next generation, I will support the PS3 because I know Sony will support its consumers.
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2009-10-28 19:50:42 |74.107.115.xxx| John Wayne, the cowboy - funny
People are insane on both sides.
Id be pissed if I had to pay out 200 bucks over four years for a service I could get for free. But kids don't care about a cumulative costs. 50 bucks is ok for a year. Thats why they are still kids...cause theyre stupid and shortsighted.
Paying the amount of a new console over its life for a service the other guy provides for free....
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2009-10-28 19:52:53 |200.59.28.xxx| TJ - WOW
Going by the first 2 posts 360 fanboys can't face the truth! Stupid people like them keep the 360 where it is, nice article Justin it is 100% accurate.
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2009-10-28 19:53:45 |76.202.15.xxx| Vanilla Ice
This is a well-written article, it proves Xbox 360 owners are way too soft when it comes to dealing with Microsoft.
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2009-10-28 19:54:03 |71.230.77.xxx| Ed
Great article. I own the 360 myself and think most of these points should be addressed by MS. I actually own Star Ocean for the 360 and hate switching the discs at the end of the game. At first it was bearable but now it gets annoying going from the Morphus home world back to the stadium. Another thing is MS actually thinks their great for having Facebook and Twitter going to the system when I can already access it on the browser on my PS3. But all in all, you brought up a great point. When the fanboys complain about something long enough, Sony does something about it. I really don't hear much form the 360 fanboys about anything on their systems. I actually know one of these fanboys and he simply refers to the PS3 as the "blu-ray player" and the Wii as a waste of space. He never complains about anything MS does and is a good example of what the fanboys don't do. One thing is for sure though, if MS ever did raise the price of LIVE to $100 (oh, I hope they don't), I'm dropping my subscription and will stick to PS3 for my games because right now I own the same amount of games for both systems so I play them equally. Its about time though someone wrote an article like this to address these issues. The one thing I would still like to see on the 360 though is a web browser, its convenient at times.
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2009-10-28 19:58:14 |143.117.236.xxx| Daíthi Bell - It's all true though
Alot of what was said here was very true, XBL users(like myself) are paying for P2P connection while some PS3/PSN titles support dedicated servers...
There's no justification for it when you pay to play online, not to party up and chat with people.
If you can't admit to this, you're probably an Xbot and from the first couple posts, this is very evident with some people.
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2009-10-28 19:59:12 |90.214.245.xxx| DASHONFIRE
I actually couldn't agree with this article more and I am not a PS3 fanboy, I own both systems and love them both to death but this guy is RIGHT!!
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2009-10-28 20:00:56 |99.57.109.xxx| Mark
Sony fanboys have risen above and beyond even Apple fanboys this gen with more tears than anyone can count.
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2009-10-28 20:02:07 |123.100.137.xxx| Scott
I agree with many parts of this article (some feel a tad nit-picky; I personally do like MS's agrresive march forward on the DLC front) and believe that MS should really start to address some of its issues. Everyone (and I do mean everyone) gave Sony a lot of flack for the faults in the PS3 (launch price, underdeveloped online, bad advertising) and Sony has, over time, removed a lot of its initial hurdles and had in my eyes made the 'worst' console of this gen skyrocket in value to potentially be the best all within 3 years.
However, while we do see the occasional article pointing out the 360's flaws (expensive add-ons, RROD) they are drowned out by the constant praise that the system gets. I applaud you for writing this article and hopefully making a few people realise that the 360, while still good console, isn't as flawless as they seem to believe. I hope you don't get too flooded by needless hate messages.

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2009-10-28 20:07:10 |86.136.95.xxx| zerocrossing
exelant point a rather long read but you said all that needed to be said, even tho you have strong opposition from the fanboys but when mentioning 360 and its many problems who dosent, hell im sure you never here the fanboys bad mouth MS and the 360 for fear of falling out of the click and being hated on for being a ps3 fanboy, lets make this clear both ps3 and 360 have some issues just one more than the other, hopefully MS mite actualy listen but i also wouldnt hold my breath
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2009-10-28 20:19:52 |95.76.33.xxx| Sam - re:MetalGearRising wrote:Poor Sony a*s wipe. Go cry to someone else no one cares about your pathetic Article.
Keep sucking M$ dick, you ignorant half wit xbot.
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2009-10-28 20:19:56 |153.107.33.xxx| Troll#101
You cut them good Justin.
These fanboys never read console related article neutrally. Say 1 bad thing about their console, they be like omfg , crap article etc.
As a neurtal person. PS3 has newer technology. I dont know why 360 just vomit out crap all the time.
Its jsut like saying something to a guy that stinks and he goes "GO CLEAN YOUR NOSE, ITS NOT ME!"
They'll deny every thing.
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2009-10-28 20:25:53 |187.65.45.xxx| revistinha1 - stop this "what fanboy is better" they all suck
well ...number one
sony dont care if ur a fanboy or not , the thing that did sony work harder on his console was the sales ...failing made they work more to catch up ,complaining dont have nothin to do with it...that just annoyin internet shit.
just like ur article , that was clearly an excuse to insult 360 owners and take the sony fanboys side of the story ,nice choice of pics by the way.
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2009-10-28 20:43:46 |64.163.110.xxx| Fairminded baby colosus
Excellent read and much better reasoning than jim sterling ever had. Shows why microsoft fanboys are the absolute ignorant immature retards of all the fanboys... really hope sterling reads this and learns a thing or two, that is if his skull isn't as thick as he's lead us to believe...
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2009-10-28 20:54:39 |202.168.42.xxx| jmesh - spot on
You hit the nail on the head with that article imo. I love all consoles. MS need to change but wont.
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You do make a really valid point, fanboyism if any console is detrimental to the industry as a whole...
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2009-10-28 21:57:29 |68.201.66.xxx| destroyerofall - Great article
Wow, this was a really well-thought out article! I have to say one of the best I've read all year! Though I too favor PS3/ PSN, I stay out of the whole 'fanboy war'. Its completely ridiculous. Its great to see someone finally call out Microsoft for its inexcusable mistakes. My opinion? 360 would be a perfectly capable system if not for the glaring flaws you mention in your article. As it is, however, I can't comprehend why anyone would defend MS when they've stumbled more than anyone else. Thanks for writing this. Looking forward to your future work.
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2009-10-28 22:13:51 |Registered| rice and beans

Simple. They've got the games that the consumer wants. The console failure rate is ridiculous, but they've made amends with the new hardware.
The same way it took a while Sony to get their act together with content catch-up, Microsoft needed to get their act together with hardware.
Nobody was complaining about Sony during the last-gen with their high failure rates during launch, the limited warranties with them, and weaker hardware "holding" last-gen back. Matter of fact, one of the most visually amazing games like Shadow of the Collossus was on "weaker" hardware..
Certain complaints are justified against Microsoft's business practices, but the stigma and hatred toward the console and whoever may enjoy it is inexcusable and a matter of ignorance and stupidity among the sad, depressed gamer who invade the internet because no one bothers to take them seriously outside of an internet forum.
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2009-10-29 01:07:09 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
Uhm, sorry dude, but PS2 failure rates were nowhere NEAR as high as the 360. Moreover, Sony did not work overtime to conceal the truth and lie to it's own customer base.
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2009-10-29 04:02:40 |122.107.69.xxx| name
what?
sony dident conceal the truth and lie ay?
so is that why they constantly denied the laser problems in the ps2?
at least M$ has admitted to fault and apologized AND extended the warranty for it.
i did not see sony doing either of those things.
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2009-10-29 05:23:56 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
1 in 4 360's fail (at least. In my personal experience, the number is MUCH higher.) Do you realize what would happen if, say, a car did that? It would be recalled. Cellphones, umbrellas, toasters, ballpoint pens...they'd all be recalled. And that option is THE ONLY honorable option for Microsoft. But, instead they gave you a "cover-our-a*s" warranty that merely ensures that no one can sue their sorry butts off while they are counting your money. Please get a brain.
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2009-10-29 16:16:11 |208.120.70.xxx| Tathagata
They admitted it after denying it for months, and only after all the statistical research being done was way too much to ignore/deny anymore. The extended warranty came after that too. And THEN later on, the news was revealed that the hardware failure was a known issue over at MS. So not only did they try as long as possible to ignore the RR issue, they knew about it before it even became an issue to consumers, and held off on offering compensation (in the form of an extended warranty) for as long as possible, which no doubt sold them many more 360s. Smart business move on their end.
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2009-10-28 23:11:06 |24.46.35.xxx| yep - :love:
Preach it, preach it!
What how the MDF will come scurrying out of their holes to deny this.
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2009-10-28 23:15:39 |72.82.84.xxx| John
I'm pretty offended that you think we're all mindless drones.
I've personally posted in the forums trying to get MANY things added, such as browser support, and even the hardware issue.
You also go a bit too far with the crying baby, I mean what the hell is your problem? And yes, I've also complained about Gold and hows it's pretty goddamn useless AS WELL as this ticket scam with Microsoft Points.
Don't paint us with such a broad generalizing stroke. Many people ARE beggining to get fed up with MS.
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2009-10-29 01:03:03 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
You should have been fed up with them a long time ago. I have no sympathy. If you let a company take advantage of you the way MS has, you will only get more of the same. You also propagate shoddiness and greed in the industry as a whole.
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2009-10-29 01:26:02 |72.82.84.xxx| Joh
Yes, I'm the fu**ing devil because I own a 360. Great logic.
I don't need your sympathy, my point is that people ARE pushing for changes and this articles attempts to paint all of us as drooling morons that just accept everything they try to push on us.
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2009-10-29 01:35:05 |72.82.84.xxx| John
Odd, it seems my previous comments have disappeared.
Do me a favor and get off of your high horse, I don't need nor want your sympathy. My point was that this article tries to summarize everyone that owns a 360 as a moron that simply gives in to all the shit MS tries to push on you. And it's simply not true.
"You also propagate shoddiness and greed in the industry as a whole."
Spoken like a true fanboy. What else are you doing to try to pin on me because I own a console you don't seem to favor?
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2009-10-29 02:33:50 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
Has nothing to do with favoring or not favoring a console. It has to do with protecting myself as a consumer. I would LOVE to be able to play Halo, Left 4 Dead, etc. But, I will not patronize a company that lies and cheats to the very customers that put dinner on it's table. And THAT is the only real way to get anything to change about Microsoft. Vote with your wallet.
I'm not saying Sony is populated by absolute saints, but this article says it plain and simple. Sony has at least reacted to the interests of it's customers. It has made big mistakes along the way and it has taken a little too long to get things going, in my opinion, but at least it is making a quality product at a fair price...UNLIKE Microsoft.
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2009-10-29 01:26:05 |Publisher| darkpower
Good that you've been trying to get heard. But one person can only do so much, and if no one helps you out, how is anything going to change?
The "crying baby" pic offends you? You should've seen how many people have used the Sony fanboy "crying baby" for so many months now. That is now the counter.
And I did not try to generalize you. You're obviously a gamer, and not a fanboy (which I clearly stated this editorial was directed to).
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2009-10-29 01:38:29 |72.82.84.xxx| John
Yes, I've seen it posted many times. Funny how the PS3 has done a complete turn around and the 360 seems to be the one on the ropes this year.
Also, sorry, I don't post often on the Neocrisis comment section. Would you mind deleting my previous post? I don't want to start a flame war over this.
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2009-10-29 16:24:30 |208.120.70.xxx| Tathagata
I think his point is that there is not a noticeable community backlash. He is not making claims about you as a person. The fact that he doesn't acknowledge that there is a small percentage of the 360 userbase that complains to get things changed isn't that he's ignoring it, it's that it is a given that doesn't even need to be mentioned. Even if a console was perfect, there would be a small percentage of people complaining about something, and trying to get changes made.
No accusations are being made about you as an individual, the point (or one of the points) of the article is that in the face of actions and policies that pretty much give their customers the bird, the majority of customers not only do nothing to make MS aware of their displeasure, but continue to praise the 360, sometimes even for its faults, often while making fun of Sony fanboys who (it would seem) got Sony to step their game up because they aren't afraid to call Sony out on their bullshit.
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2009-10-28 23:58:15 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd - Good read
The reasons for the blind faith in Microsft have eluded me for a long time. I had an original Xbox and liked the system, liked it's games, liked almost everything about it. But, when the RRoD issue came up and Microsoft WOULDN'T EVEN ADMIT THERE WAS A PROBLEM, I knew I had to take a more serious look at what my next game system purchase was gonna be. Since then, literally EVERYONE I know who owns a 360 has had at least one red ring. And all the extended warranty does is keep Microsoft from getting it's a*s sued off. It does very little for the customer. This alone, in my book, adds up to a robbery. Microsoft is ROBBING it's own customers. Period. There is no other way to put it. This first party only business with memory is just another way for them to rob their customers. It is apparently Microsoft's strategy to get the player hooked on it's stuff (like a drug pusher) and then rob the player blind with their left hand. Simply put, I will not put up with it. My money means too much to me. My theory is that the average Xbot is just too young and foolish to understand the value of money in any real way. To them I say: Wait until you have kids and a family who depend on you and your gaming dollar is a fairly precious thing in your life and THEN you get the RRoD or are forced to buy first party memory cards that are overpriced or have to shell out 50 of your hard earned dollars a year just to play with your friends.
I should say that I really do love Halo. I would love to play Left 4 Dead. If Greenwalt wasn't such a d*ck, I might have had some interest in Forza. Even the GTA DLC is interesting to me, but Microsoft's VERY CLEAR lack of interest in anything beyond making money and "beating Sony" only ensures that I will go with their competitor until this loathesome mindset changes.
All that said, there is really only one way that this would ever stop. Microsoft will continue to STEAL FROM THEIR CUSTOMERS until the moment that consumers catch on to their greed and HIT THEM IN THE PROFIT MARGIN! That is the ONLY WAY to make Microsoft stop this sh*t.
I don't hate the 360 either. It definitely has games I want to play. What I hate is Microsoft's arrogance and greed. I hate their sh*t talking and lack of respect for the very people who put dinner on their table. And all you kids who are coming of age and plan to continue gaming into adulthood NEED to wake up. Microsoft IS NOT your friend. If you already ARE an adult and are still buying Microsoft products, I tell you in boldface type that you are getting fleeced. And Microsoft enjoys robbing you. Stand up for yourselves and do something about it.
Finally, Microsoft's success with the 360 with all it's shoddiness and greedy, arrogant execs IS NOT GOOD FOR THE GAMING INDUSTRY. Competition is good, yes. But, Microsoft's strategy from the beginning has been to beat Sony (NOT Nintendo, they could care less about them) to the punch at every turn. Unfortunately, this has caused rushed manufacturing, denials, bad business decisions (50 Million for DLC exclusivity) among other things. If Microsoft is able to "win" the console war with this strategy, what does that mean for gaming's future? Other companies will certainly try to copy the model, which means more hardware failures, less quality control, more nickel and diming, more forcing 1st party peripherals on the public, more wasting YOUR MONEY. And I for one care a little too much about where my money goes to sit by and watch that happen without at least voicing my displeasure about it. That's what this article is about and I commend the author.
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2009-10-29 00:01:41 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd - Good Read (cont)
The reasons for the blind faith in Microsft have eluded me for a long time. I had an original Xbox and liked the system, liked it's games, liked almost everything about it. But, when the RRoD issue came up and Microsoft WOULDN'T EVEN ADMIT THERE WAS A PROBLEM, I knew I had to take a more serious look at what my next game system purchase was gonna be. Since then, literally EVERYONE I know who owns a 360 has had at least one red ring. And all the extended warranty does is keep Microsoft from getting it's a*s sued off. It does very little for the customer. This alone, in my book, adds up to a robbery. Microsoft is ROBBING it's own customers. Period. There is no other way to put it. This first party only business with memory is just another way for them to rob their customers. It is apparently Microsoft's strategy to get the player hooked on it's stuff (like a drug pusher) and then rob the player blind with their left hand. Simply put, I will not put up with it. My money means too much to me. My theory is that the average Xbot is just too young and foolish to understand the value of money in any real way. To them I say: Wait until you have kids and a family who depend on you and your gaming dollar is a fairly precious thing in your life and THEN you get the RRoD or are forced to buy first party memory cards that are overpriced or have to shell out 50 of your hard earned dollars a year just to play with your friends.
I should say that I really do love Halo. I would love to play Left 4 Dead. If Greenwalt wasn't such a d*ck, I might have had some interest in Forza. Even the GTA DLC is interesting to me, but Microsoft's VERY CLEAR lack of interest in anything beyond making money and "beating Sony" only ensures that I will go with their competitor until this loathesome mindset changes.
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2009-10-29 00:59:35 |202.4.73.xxx| Aped - Great article
Great article mate! I had the first gen Xbox and loved it and decided to buy the PS2 really late which was about 2 years ago, hell i bought the ps3 before it. I got the ps3 from the start with all the faults and issues and the price tag, but am i glad i did! they fixed so many issues since it launched and as a consumer it helps me justify the price i paid at the time. I bought the xbox360 over a year ago and I also love it! i love the online features that came right out of the box excluding the fee. However when actually playing online, i would say i spend equally the same amount of time on each console. The only real reason I have both consoles is to enjoy the exclusive titles. If I had to pick one based on that then i would have to go with PS3 because of the great exclusive titles that have come out and are coming out, I feel like Microsoft has let me down in that department, even the Jrpgs that are out on the Xbox360 are all slowly making their way onto the PS3.
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2009-10-29 02:13:51 |68.223.164.xxx| FinalD - FUN FACT
Heres a fun fact, if this offends you. You're probably one of those Fan boys that the article talks about.
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2009-10-29 03:01:10 |68.12.28.xxx| David - hmmm
What is the premise behind posting this bullshit? When alot of it is hypocritical views that never mattered before when competitors were doing it.
1. Multi-disc issue, did you ever hear anyone b*tch about ps1 and ps2 games being inferior because the best games took at least 2 and alot of rpgs took 4 disc to complete throughly? Hell no, so why should it matter now? Because SONY finnaly has the most technologically advanced system? Hell no, hypocrisy.
2. Blue-Ray wasn't around when 360 came out. DVD9 is managing just fine for this generation. So what if a few of the games take a couple disc, we never b*tched about it before when PS1 and PS2 required it why should we now? Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Left 4 Dead, Splinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake are all bada*s exclusives that look fantastic on par with SONY's blue ray releases without actual blue ray. Blue Ray on 360 would just divide the userbase and piss alot of them off. It's not really needed right now. I suggest you do better research and have common sense instead of posting bullshit.
3. LOL@ Sequel, downloadable content, New IP debate - Microsoft has introduced plenty of new Ip's this generation and SONY is still playing catch up. Sony is like the worst company ever with milking their franchises like Nintendo and EA. Microsoft still attempts to switch it up. If the downloadable content was on ps3 for your favorite games you'd eat it up too. It's more incentive to play a old game stop being blind.
Be a gamer instead of a fanboy, these articles are getting ridiculous. Basically what your saying if we enjoy what's on the 360 more, even if it is expansions to older games it's still good shit and on the same level as the underwhelming killzone 2, infamous and crack in time and the most overrated game of this generation the unoriginal uncharted 2(which you failed to acknowledge has glitches as well).
4. Xbox live is the superior service plain and simple
Shadow Complex, Braid, the online activity game to game, psn don't even begin to compare.
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2009-10-29 03:34:01 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
1. Multiple disks was ALWAYS annoying but nobody knew how to get around it so they put up with it. It matters now because we have a format capable of making it a thing of the past and Microsoft is stubbornly resisting the change. If they ever DO change, it will be by charging you a cool Benjamin to buy a peripheral as yet ANOTHER way to get MORE OF YOUR MONEY.
2. The fact that Microsoft didn't have the foresight to get on the Blu-Ray train is not the rest of the world's problem. It's Microsoft's problem. EVERYONE knew it was coming. They opted for HD-DVD. It lost. Tough tits. MICROSOFT launched their console WAY before the format war was over because they figured that getting to market first was much more important. NOBODY forced them to do this. And nobody forced them forced them to toss quality control into the crapper, either.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Xbox ever gets Blu Ray or not and could give a frick what it does to their gullible fanbase.
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2009-10-29 03:49:04 |71.68.118.xxx| chez
uh, until sony started buying companies out from under HD-DVD, HD-DVD was actually considered the clearer standard.
good lord, you are *drenched* in fanboy, man.
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2009-10-29 04:34:40 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
The word "fanboy" as used in context to a person's brand loyalty, means absolutely nothing to me. I am loyal to my hard earned money. If that makes me a fanboy of a system that actually WORKS when I want it to, then call me a fanboy all you want, I couldn't really care less.
No HDMI cable? Yeah, I agree that's cheap. Why did it take so long to integrate certain online features? I dunno, probably because they don't charge me for the priviledge of getting on their network. As I said above, Sony is by no means perfect. They do things that are patently annoying.
But set against Microsoft's all out rape of the gaming public, Sony's crimes are miniscule. And Sony buying companies out from under HD-DVD? I have two words: WHO CARES? It lost. Microsoft was outmaneuvered. The end. Competitive business is rough sometimes, Microsoft (and it's dimwitted brand loyalists) should go put on ruffle-butt panties and pout in a corner if they don't like it. They can screw each other all they like, that's business. But, when they start screwing me, I take notice.
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2009-10-29 03:40:55 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
1. Multiple disks was ALWAYS annoying but nobody knew how to get around it so they put up with it. It matters now because we have a format capable of making it a thing of the past and Microsoft is stubbornly resisting the change. If they ever DO change, it will be by charging you a cool Benjamin to buy a peripheral as yet ANOTHER way to get MORE OF YOUR MONEY.2. The fact that Microsoft didn't have the foresight to get on the Blu-Ray train is not the rest of the world's problem. It's Microsoft's problem. EVERYONE knew it was coming. They opted for HD-DVD. It lost. Tough tits. MICROSOFT launched their console WAY before the format war was over because they figured that getting to market first was much more important. NOBODY forced them to do this. And nobody forced them forced them to toss quality control into the crapper, either.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Xbox ever gets Blu Ray or not and could give a frick what it does to their gullible fanbase.
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2009-10-29 03:46:06 |71.68.118.xxx| Chez - here's an interesting thing...
Sony has yet to include any sort of high definition cables in any of their SKUs. Sony has yet to market the system as a gaming system, thus increasing sales, thus giving us people to play with. Sony has yet to include a headset, so a large section of PSN users attempt to use inefficient text chat that do not help in the least. They also have yet to include cross game chat, invites, or, in fact, any features that allow you to take advantage of the in-game unified friends' list it took them years to rip off from Live. people want these features and they are being ignored.
Sony released the PSPGo with no method at all for existing PSP owners to update their library with digital copies of their games. They have flat out said that a fix is not coming. PSP owners have no way to upgrade and keep their current games; they have to start a whole new library. They also cannot use their previously owned accessories without the purchase of a silly looking wheel thing that renders the system nigh-unusuable. On top of that, their USB cables no longer work--only first party proprietary USB cables will work with the PSPgo.
Where's the uproar concerning that, I wonder?
Oh, that's right. The Sonyfriends are busily trying to tell anyone with any sense what to do with their money.
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2009-10-29 03:47:27 |71.68.118.xxx| chez
oh, and they also refuse to fix most broken PS3s, which occur more often than any of you will admit.
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2009-10-29 08:42:09 |24.46.35.xxx| oh rly?
...Yes, can you show evidence of that?
Really, most of us are waiting.
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2009-10-29 04:33:53 |121.44.71.xxx| lold - lol
I am so sick of this fanboy war.
Its some dumba*s shit if you ask me.
I have both consoles, 360 is better, by far.
PS3 is catching up, but PS3 still isnt as good yet, so until its as good, PS3 fans should stop fueling the war and posting dumb shit.
And about that $50 DLC. Its like a whole new game pretty much, so its worth the money you pay. But meh, I don't play GTAIV so I don't really care.
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2009-10-29 04:51:59 |122.107.69.xxx| name
sony fanbabys are just as bad.
like the other day i created a thread on what i thought should be added to MAG, and i got the SDF coming down on me like i raped their mother.or the other day i made a list of things i hated about uncharted 2, and thought they should be changed.
and the same thing happened.
one thing ive learnt these days on the net you cant criticize sony otherwise your a xbot and you cant criticize M$ because than that makes you a sony drone.
you have to suck someones dick.anyway, one thing i want to point out about sony, this is realy fu***ng pissing me off about them latley.
SONY ENOUGH OF THIS EXCLUSIVE TO THE US BS!!!!
im sick to death of it.
want netflix?
want GOW collection?
want movie service?
want qore?
want beta access to games?
want games before everyone else gets them?
want exclusive events no one else gets?
want special editions of games, like the fortune hunter edition for uncharted 2?
than you have to live in the US, o whats that?
you dont.
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
again, 99% of the time PSN games show up there first, 99% of the time demos show up there first.im sick to death of waiting weeks sometimes months for a game thats already out in the US.
like R&C, that came out yesterday in the US, but here in Australia i have to wait 2 more weeks.im sick to death of this region exclusive BS, sony enough is enough.
actually know what, i swear to god, if sony does this for their next exclusive im selling my ps3, and never,ever,ever,ever giving them another cent of my money.
if they dont want to support me, why should i support them?
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2009-10-29 09:35:02 |142.162.193.xxx| Mark
Dude, I feel your pain, but you're going about it in entirely the wrong way. I hated Uncharted 2...but do I go online and complain? No! Everyone would flame the hell outta me! Walk into any Literature cla*s teaching about public speaking and they'll tell you to KEEP YOUR AUDIENCE IN MIND! You don't see me going into a 360 fanboy forum and complaining about how bad microsoft sucks and me expecting that everyone there will respect my opinion. They'd freak out and call me a fag 1 million times over.
Beyond that for the US exclusives: Dont sweat it. Netflix and movie rentals are no better than just renting from your local video store, qore is kinda useless, GOW collection can easily be imported, getting games before everyone else gets them (is just plain wrong...europe and japan gets lots of games before we do in NA) and the other stuff isn't even worth talking about. You already complained about U2....why do you even want the collectors edition?
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2009-10-29 05:13:29 |61.90.77.xxx| Anonymous - lol
I love how the very first comment posted proves how true this article is.
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2009-10-29 05:41:54 |88.107.95.xxx| David Macphail - 360 fanboys are so predictable.
It's funny, most of the 360 fanboys crying about this article are the same ones that prowl around N4G like rabid dogs looking for anything that's related to Sony so they can start spouting bullshit. PP - this is the same idiot that started spamming articles concerning GT5 and Uncharted 2.
I know the 360 fanboys have a lot of time on their hands considering the 360 has no exclusive games but this is just sad. You morons really need to find something to do besides giving Microsoft all your money for an outdated service.
By replying to this article in the way you have you've only proved that this article is correct, well done!
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2009-10-29 06:07:35 |83.83.204.xxx| Mindbendo - Games
Sony has the gamestudios to secure true exclusives all year long, the PS3 is far more reliable and has more future in it, PSN remains free, supports 32-60-256 players, allows LBP's & MNR's usercreated levels and tracks, and has dedicated servers for most exclusives. Sony secured the néxt new IP from R* North's Houser brothers instead of wasting $50M on timed exclusiveness of DLC for a 1.5 year old game, and their gamesequels are not being discussed as over-priced.
I have a 360, this year had 2 worthy games: Shadow Complex and Forza 3. The rest was some more Halo, some more GTA4, some more Halo 3, even more GTA4 and soon there'll be some more L4D. That's not very good compared to 4 worthy sequels (KZ2, UC2, R&C:ACiT & WipEout HD Fury) and 3 new IP's (MLB, inFamous and Demon's Souls). And this happens every year, for just about every gamegenre it's a Sony exclusive that is the benchmark game.
X-game chat? I prefer 16 player GT5 NASCAR races, 256 player MAG battles, for free.
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2009-10-29 06:41:11 |83.83.204.xxx| Electronic Entertainment Expo - 2013
Redmond - June 2013
Microsoft Corporation [Nasdaq MSWTF] is proud to announce exclusive downloadable content for Take Two's hotly anticipated sequel of award winning triple-A titel "AGENT". In a reponse MS declared that their BluRayBox 1080 is the only console that has the full Agent 2 experience...bla bla definitive...bla bla bla.Tokio - july 2013
Sony announces R* North's new IP "Killfrenzy" for PlayStation 3.
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2009-10-29 06:41:15 |195.192.230.xxx| Fuzia
Lol, the MS fanboys thinks that by praising their xBox they can keep some dignity. Fine, keep it. Then we'll take the pre-exclusives from you, which Microsoft payed the developers for. Not only are we given a nearly free of charge (Seen from the developers side), but also a BETTER and more COMPLETE game, because that's what Sony is requiring if they're gonna port an exclusive... What's that? You got sand in your eye? :3
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2009-10-29 08:26:07 |98.213.87.xxx| Chris
Get a job and buy both systems. Problems solved. You're ALL retards.
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2009-10-29 23:39:56 |168.177.132.xxx| Lloyd
Why would I buy a console that's just gonna break in a week?
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This article is the best thing to ever pop up on N4G! I own a PS3 and 360 (both 60GB) and I'm completely hacked off with Microsoft's tactics. Even more frustrating are the people (fanboys) that praise Microsoft for "defining online" when they're quite clearly ripping us off. I'm selling my Xbox after I play through GTA IV episodes and I can't say I'll miss the dashboard ads, the screaming fanboys on my friends list slagging the PS3 and Wii or paying for P2P gaming (which I just get 48 trial cards anyway)!
PS, I love the way that none of the xbox 360 fanboys in this comment section can spell and use proper grammar.
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2009-10-29 09:35:56 |66.7.190.xxx| Kris
I like the article, well written very diplomatically written. I love alot of the games on the 360, but after the third repair 360, the fourth wasn't "covered" by Microsoft so I ended up just saying it wasn't worth the effort I don't understand why I need to lose a total of 6 weeks of gaming for repairs, or pay a cent for a shoddy product. If you made any other product that had this kinda of failure rate you wouldn't be in business. Which I kinda think is the message of this article, that it continues to happen because 360 owners don't stand up for there consumer rights. Nothing in this world will change unless you put your influence towards it whether its not buying the product or speaking out against what you don't like. I just wasn't having it anymore. Now I have a Wii which mostly collects dust, my PS3 (I bought both the 360 and PS3 at launch), and my PC i play games on all three but lately been leaning toward my ps3 as I was in the middle of playing Ghostbusters and Uncharted 2. Just my thoughts.
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2009-10-29 09:52:42 |129.21.117.xxx| Jason - re: here's an interesting thing...Chez wrote:They also have yet to include cross game chat, invites, or, in fact, any features that allow you to take advantage of the in-game unified friends' list it took them years to rip off from Live.
I love the whole "Ripped off from XBL" thing that people pull. Does that mean that if its a good thing it can't be recreated? Or implemented in another system?
Does that mean I can say any country that achieved independence after 1776 just ripped it off from the US?
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2009-10-29 16:45:03 |65.60.125.xxx| XxsmokestakxX
Exactly. I think netflix streaming on XBL is a great idea. Apparently, so did sony.
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2009-10-29 10:05:22 |122.163.75.xxx| Sugreev2001 - Great Article
I think the biggest reason why Microsoft fanboys let the company get away with anything is probably because it's the first American hardware to actually make a dent in the console race.
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2009-10-29 12:45:32 |98.209.246.xxx| Magnum T. I. - Well...
He make an excellent point or two, or like all points...and I'm a 360 owner. Not too concerned with the $50 XBL ticket at times, but at the end of the day...he's right
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2009-10-29 13:21:14 |76.161.172.xxx| David Baker-Austin - Good Article
I like this article,makes alot of sence and by reading the comments i see that must xbox owners feel the same way. So insteadof complaining here is a few ideas to get the xbox up to speed.
Multi Disc- This will never change as the fact of switching to a new standard will screw the current owners, BUT. If MS would allow the use of larger 3rd partie hard drives then, the disc's could be loaded and the first disc used to run the game like with a PC
Blu-Ray- An attachment would be nice but is not needed, but nice.
XBL- Free, put advert's for extra money if you want, seen PC games do it.
RROD- Just fix it, but i have to say the one i have now works fine(fixed RROD on my last one and gave it to my freind and it still works sence launch)
This would be a good and do-able start that would not cost that much.
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2009-10-29 14:04:50 |173.48.210.xxx| rumtumtugger - haha
I'm a PC gamer, and I couldn't care less about you foolish console gamers.
Very good article though. Some of the ignorant drivel spewed by 360 fanboys has become too much.
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2009-10-29 14:10:27 |81.154.58.xxx| a dirty cunt nigger pedo rapis - M$ are a bunch of cunts
I own a 360 and I believe that M$ are a bunch of greedy corporate cunts who would sell their souls to the devil for a dollar. They fleece the consumer by asking for more money for what is in fat a shite product and then ask for more money for everything. A bit like buying a BMW car. Everything is an added option, want a radio, that's £500. Want wheels, that's £100. Want an engine, that's $3000. Just like the 360. Hard drive is extra, XBL is extra, download content extra, sky player extra.
CUNTS !!!!
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2009-10-29 16:42:01 |65.60.125.xxx| XxsmokestakxX
I've owned a 360 since it came out and haven't had any real complaints. I just play the games I want to play. Until I make a living from MS or some other game developer, I won't complain. I just bought a PS3 on Monday and so far I haven't even turned on my xbox other than to watch Dexter on netflix. Just be thankful you have a means to complain and you can go home after work and sit and enjoy whatever console you choose to. PS3, Xbox, whatever. f*ck the bullshit.
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2009-10-29 18:32:17 |202.4.73.xxx| aped
I wonder if people ever step back and realize how lucky they are to be playing a gaming system, let alone be able to complain about it. The world is a big place with many wonderful things in it, don't let your self become narrow minded.....from the look of some of the comments it seems the only thing in ppl life is a gaming system.......
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2009-10-29 20:28:50 |90.198.67.xxx| Jon - Seriously?
Some people like 360s, whereas some people like PS3s. Now the get the f*ck over it and get on with your lives.
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2009-11-06 18:58:39 |99.11.183.xxx| moparful99 - @aped
Think about it if you invested alot of money into something that you believed in be it a house or car and lets say that investment turned out to be a money pit. The maker of said product promised you the world. How this was the one object you needed. Well when you bought into the hype and purchased it only to find a myriad of complications and problems wouldnt you be upset? I know I would be, I dont work my self to death 40 hours a week for a company to feed me an endless stream of lies and half-truths to get my money. That is exactly where these people come from, not narrowmindedness. Your judgemental analysis of the situation has made you no better then the people you wag your pias finger at...
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2009-11-20 14:41:56 |72.218.109.xxx| Garland Russell
I think that this article is quite ridiculous & is an attack & is very jealous of the 360's success over the PS3. Sony was being too arrogant during the last two generations, & they deserve to fall. Sorry.
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2010-08-23 22:27:56 |76.237.202.xxx| Lauren - Yea Right
No M$ is arrogant they tried so hard to bash and bring down Japanese developers but at the same time they go to them and request for their games. Even for the Halo Movie. Who animated it? Cause it sure wasn't M$. Microsoft thinks they can take over the game industry because their an American Company with a rushed system (360 was made 6 months before it's release date) Hell the only reason they got into the game industry because of the amount of money that being made,(games were out selling their software). Ppl are starting to see that see link. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6263612.html
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I Don't see why people take this to heart, whether on the PSN or XBL point of view.
I used to own a 360 and I still play once in the blue moon but after my first 360 crapped out on me I decided to purchase a PS3 and never regretted that decision. 360 has some great games and it's online service is decent at most. Cross game chat means nothing to me, I'm usually chatting with my own team in the game, it's useful for friends you may wanna talk to and all but I don't see the big deal about it.
Sony Was not arrogant btw, more like ambitious, that's the word you're looking for Russel.
He makes a lot of sense, when will the fanboys wake up?
C'mon, are their console sales even legit when 90% of the time your console's guaranteed to get the RROD?
Seriously, let's be honest who here has not even had the RROD, I'm one of them and I will not purchase another MS console until they release their next console and maybe not even then, Charging for live seems so unjust.Reaper
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2011-04-13 02:40:28 |72.231.190.xxx| Ardy - Finally
I know I'm a year or two behind the 8 ball with this article, but seriously this is such a breath of fresh air, after reading article after article, and blog after blog, of Sony haters' comments, and PS3 fan bashing. I'm so sick of it seriously, it really gets me down.
Its so nice to finally find something that isn't bashing PS3 fans, and what do you know, xbox fans don't like it eithe when they have anything bad or negatively perceived about their precious console. No wonder PS3 fans defend their console so aggressively and vigourously, they get hammered constantly by over the top zealot xbox fans.
I don't think the big evil arrogant corporation view of Sony is deserved either, its totally unfounded, there is no reason to think this of them. Have people forgotten that Bill Gates (once criticized a lot himself for his big company tactics) green lit the xbox 360 to be made, purely to flex his muscles in the console gaming market expecting to take it by storm. And he used the most shoddy cheap parts in the original batch, which is why it was the biggest product recall in history, what a cluster bomb.
And they ha*sle Sony Playstation beyond measure why?? It still eludes me. PS3 is a fine console, and they sold it at a $400 loss per unit originally (so Im sick of hearing the overpriced argument too). Wish 360 fans and Sony haters would just give it a dam rest, go play a game on your 360 and leave us PS3 fans to play on our systems. Problem solved.
P.S. I heard for years them bleet on about how their console has sold more, even though they were in the market a year before the ps3, funny how they are quiet now that the PS3 sales have overtaken them.
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No one gives a sh*t what u think a*s h*le. U Sony lovers are so desperate best thing u can do is join your batty boy's in HOME u pathetic G*y F*CK.