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06
Nov
Valve's PSN Comments Disgusting: Steam PS3 Campaign Opens PDF E-mail
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Articles - Gaming
Written by Justin D.   

Only a few days after Gearbox's Randy Pitchford made comments about how Valve's stubbornness about PS3 development is only an excuse, it seems like Valve's answer to my question of whether they would prove either Randy or HipHopGamer right seems to sadly be the former answer.

CVG recently conducted an interview with Left 4 Dead project lead Chet Faliszek, press here and he made a comment that no one should ever make in the game industry about ANY community of gamers. This was aimed at the PS3 gamers, insulting them yet again by saying, "In hooking up with your friends and the community aspects, I think the Xbox 360 is head and shoulders above the PS3. The 360 and PC are on par, right?", and that Left 4 Dead 2 will be exclusive for that reason alone.

Never mind the fact that the community in Uncharted 2 seems to disprove Chet right “cheir”, but it's also an amusing claim when you look at what the 360 community is made up of sometimes, and why Chet couldn't be any further from the truth, and should be fired for the comments. And this comes just when a Steam Community member just posted a petition in the hopes that Valve considers PS3 development.

For starters, many XBL users have experience homophobic comments that are so bad that you would think Fred Phelps' family were playing the games. Not to mention that we have constant insults beyond the homophobia, and those that you never hear the whining from them end when they lose a match on one of the few exclusive first party games the 360 actually has. Seriously, when the only games you have to play have the names Halo or Gears of War on them, you would have a “community” on there, would you? Let's not get into some of the idiots on Steam, because apparently, to those people, you need to despise everything about the Playstation 3 to be accepted. Are all of the XBL and Steam members like this? Of course not. In fact, I'll later introduce you to someone who I am good friends with that is a hardcore member of Steam that loves the PS3.

Chet's comments come at a time when the PS3 is gaining on the 360 in its install base. I mentioned Uncharted 2, and there is a reason for that: so many people are playing the multiplayer, having a good time...AND USING THE BLUETOOTH HEADSETS to talk to each other on there. But what about Killzone 2's community, or LittleBigPlanet's?

Or, if you want to go THERE, Playstation Home. There is currently no headset support for Home, but if you go there, you will find out that the word “being alone” doesn't apply there. Several people do use Home, and with Game Launching now a mandatory feature in all PS3 games (FINALLY), there is nothing stopping Home from being the “community” Chet would want to see.

But there is something utterly wrong beyond that that Chet doesn't say (or that CVG, the jokers that let this idiot say these things without any consequence, posted in the article from an interview that they say they will post the rest of later on). It's that he says this in such a way that, even if it were somehow true, that there would be no way to change that opinion. He's not saying “maybe if the PSN community had a more tightly knit group, we would consider it.” No, this is a concrete, “this is what I'm passing off as an unchangeable fact” type of thing. And he doesn't even give any reasons except: "Right now for Left 4 Dead 2 we're looking at PC and 360 because the community aspects really fit the game - it's all about playing with your friends."

Chet, let me tell you something: I got a PS3 first, nearly two years ago, because at the time, the games I wanted to play were on the PS3. I have yet to regret it, and it now has even MORE of the games that I want to play. It was 500 dollars well spent. This is before I learned about Microsoft's dirty tactics to get the GTA4 DLC exclusive. This was before Final Fantasy 13 became multiplatform. I had heard all about XBL's immature brats over there, and by that, I mean the select few that ruin it for the rest of them. However, if you think for one fucking minute that the PSN community isn't friendly, then let me tell you something, you sorry little prick, it is not.

The PSN community has been as friendly to me and to everyone else as they can be. When someone does get out of line, it is taken care of immediately. Either that, or every other person gets on their ass about it. I have made many friends on the PSN service, and it is because of this that I have thought for two years now that neither Steam or XBL have anything on the PSN service. It's the friendliness that you yourself insulted that has kept me on PSN. Hell, it is the PSN community that has even got me to get over my shyness sometimes (yes, I am a reserved person in real life, if you can believe it. I'm a much better writer than I am a talker).

They are gamers, and they know how to be friendly. What you did, sir, was tell everyone that you cannot be a PS3 gamer and be friendly at the same time. You've generalized every single PS3 gamer. The former President Bush would've loved to have a piece of shit like you, because I'm sure you would be the type of asshole that would look at a Muslim and immediately think “terrorist”, or look at a gay person and immediately think that he would have some contagious disease. Perhaps they do, and perhaps it would suit you well to catch it. The disease they do have, is called intelligence and compassion.

Chet, I want to let you in on something else. I have a friend who loves the games that you and your company have released. She has loved Left 4 Dead, and played it online religiously. She is a full on Steam member, and loves playing first-person shooters on the PC because she is more comfortable controlling them on the keyboard than she is with a controller. With that being said, however, she is also a PS3 player, and right now, does not like the business practices that Microsoft has done. She plays games like Metal Gear Solid 4, and because she is an avid basketball fan, has played NBA 2K9, and is all about wanting the 2K10 version, both on the Playstation 3.

She has also expressed her desire to see Valve games on the Playstation 3. Me and her, as friends, get along extremely well, and despite her thinking that she's not the social type, I've had numerous conversations with her over instant messaging that would last throughout the night (everyone, minds out of the gutter now). I met her on Final Fantasy XI, and I've been talking to her for the past two or three years. Although she doesn't believe she is, she is a friendly individual, and one of the many that the PSN has that, if given the opportunity that your company has yet to give (one of the many reasons why Chet's comments are unfounded), you would see for yourself.

Your comments, by themselves, Chet. are uncalled for, and for that alone, you should be fired. Immediately. Your comments should not be allowed in the gaming industry, towards ANY group. Yes, I do say things about the XBL idiots, but this is because they ruin the game for the legit users, and ruin the service for many people (this is beyond the 50 buck a year Gold service which you have also failed to see as a reason why you see the 360 as a community: they want to justify paying for something that they shouldn't be to begin with. See my article 360 Fanboys Let Microsoft Get Away With Too Much). You have generalized everyone on PSN as unfriendly and without compassion, and no one should be allowed to do this. But that's how Valve is anymore, right? Making flame wars because it benefits your company? Is this what Valve has become: just a bunch of sad, overrated, shitty developers with blind sheep that will be mouthpieces for you until the end of fucking time? Is this what the Valve legacy has become?

However, Chet and Valve, I'm going to make this somewhat simple for you. Starting today, I have begun a Steam community called "Valve fans for PS3". I had thought about doing this as an undercover investigation under the guise of "foggysmoker13" (which is why you see the text you do now in the page I'm about to give you. I will be changing this shortly). However, upon further judgment, I have decided that it would be good to just let you Neo visitors in on the operation. That way, you know that the person making it (me) is to be trusted. Join on, then get this thing exposed. You can find it by clicking here or by going to http://steamcommunity.com/groups/fansforps3 . It's called “Valve Fans For PS3”, or just “Fans For PS3”.

But do you see where this hatred is coming from, Valve and Valve sheep? My friend isn't a sheep, and does not agree with Valve's assessment of the PS3. Randy Pitchford of Gearbox (which I have tried to contact for their assessment of this latest comment) was right: you asses at Valve just want to make excuse after excuse after fucking excuse as to why you won't support the PS3. If one excuse gets blown to bits, you just go to the next one, no matter how utterly retarded that excuse is.

Just admit it: Microsoft has you by the goddamned balls and you like them touching you there. They got you hooked on their money more than they have Hiroshi Wada hooked on it. Either that or your greedy, self-absorbed, fat, lazy fucks that don't want to take the time to serve gamers because you would rather piss off a large collection of gamers anyway you can because you got some unfounded grudge with them. Or maybe Gabe Newell still has his former Microsoft job. Take your pick, mix and match, or choose all three. They are all viable.

Though I don't know why I'm surprised this continues, even to this day.

"Parapraxis", in a comment below, has corrected me on Home's headset support. Either I knew and forgot they reinstated this feature, or I never got the memo. He states:

"There is currently no headset support for Home"
Not that I'm a big fan of HOME, but there is headset support.
I think you hold L2 or L1 while talking.
Anyhow, check for yourself.
This is 100% true.

Big thanks to him for the correction.

Comments (39)
  • The Truth
    Damn straight my man! Power to the people!
  • Jose Polanco  - Yes.
    Justin D. you are the fucking man! and I have agreed with everything this article stated for 2 years now. can i get your PSN ID? mine is joey121889
  • Half-life 3  - WOW
    Speak the truth man. Speak the truth.
  • jay  - Are you mad????
    HAHAHAHAHA
    Good writting but, I think that they are doing all this becasue of the money, you could say similar stuff about almost any company that publish exlcusive games for a console, Naughty Dog don't tell em that what you did in U2 is impossible in the xbox... you are been lazy, see I just did it. I love valve games and I think the biggest problem with this one is that Valve is one of the largest publishers in the world and they decided to turn their back in one of the if not the most important console this gen.
    Cheers and don't take it personal, he is looking after his money.
    Regards
  • Anonymous
    They are far from the one of the biggest dev's in the world. As for the reason they won't develop for the ps3 is more likely due to their incapability to do so and would cost to much to hire more monkey's..
  • aquaman839
    I'm getting sick of valve and that tool that looks like michael they make sick games but there a bunch of fan boy idiots that should go work for game stop or something.
  • nightsurge
    Wow, dude. Way to overreact to the extreme and show your fanboy bias. He never once said PSN does not have a community. If you actually took the time to think about that quote you based this entire tantrum on, you'd have seen he was just referencing the fact that Xbox Live has more community based features and that it is just easier to build a community there. Take a chill pill.
  • Deeyo
    Of course everyone downranks the only person who didn't deliberately misinterpret the quotes along with the writer.

    All Chet is saying is he thinks the PC and 360 have better support for the community features they want in L4D. He might be wrong, but he's definitely not making any inferences about whether one community has a better userbase than the other. I don't see why Valve doesn't develop for the PS3 either, but misinterpreting comments and throwing a hissyfit doesn't help.
  • nutbear96
    The only reason I'm on Steam is because I forgot how good Valves games were and because L4D 2 isn't on PS3 but I've pre-purchased it now so...
  • Parapraxis
    "There is currently no headset support for Home"
    Not that I'm a big fan of HOME, but there is headset support.
    I think you hold L2 or L1 while talking.
    Anyhow, check for yourself.
    This is 100% true.
  • Justin
    Thank you for that. I stand corrected.
  • Mr_Hawk  - Don't be such a bitch.
    Dude, you're making a thunderstorm in a cup of water...
    That's just their business model! Think about it: "It's only possible on the PS3" is quoted forever (I'm sorry if you think it is true)! If you were a 360 fanboy you could bitch about it just like u did in this article (like many did).
    Valve is just bringing people to their plataform, the PC! (And 360 since they seem to be similar to program to).
  • good article
    Word.
  • LarryL
    Just a quick clarification, and a comment.

    Home does support headsets, but only in private spaces. I'm an avid user of the service and love it. Home had full headset support in all spaces in the closed beta, but cry babies ruined that. Hopefully it gets reintroduced.

    As for the article, you're spot on, BUT over-reacting. I don't understand why people even care if Valve games are on PS3. I wouldn't buy them. The have a library of the most over-rated games ever. The only title of their's that isn't completely generic, sterile and borring is TF2. Let them suck off M$ all they want, because on PS3, we have better games than they've ever put out.
  • JQQQ  - re:


    ¨Home does support headsets, but only in private spaces. I'm an avid user of the service and love it. Home had full headset support in all spaces in the closed beta, but cry babies ruined that. Hopefully it gets reintroduced.¨

    i use home almost everyday and you CAN have voice chat anywhere in home but only with one friend at a time. Its the phone a friend option, its kinda cool though cuz when someone phones you theres actually a ring and you have to answer your phone which takes you to your PDA
  • dfd  - Holy shit...
    When Half Life and Half Life 2 came out, you thought they were generic?

    How does someone be so wrong? How can you have such a terrible taste in games? What is wrong with your head?

    Half Life and Half Life 2 are pretty much in the top ten highest rated games ever. I'm sure "you" have PLENTY of games better than that.

    LarryL, lol. I remember how much of a huge fanboy you were.
  • Brandon
    Is wrong that I really dont care if Valve makes ps3 games? I dont care if they start I wont be buying them.
  • Bread  - Bravo!
    So... you're going to convince him that PSN is an awesome community by posting a rambling, deeply offensive personal attack and then demanding everybody else follow suit? I'm sure that'll work wonders!

    Following your argument, now you've proved yourself to be a rambling, incoherent bigot you really should switch over to Xbox Live. Although that *is* a logical deduction, which you're obviously not good at - wait, I'll find a single person from my IM list to back me up.
  • Juice
    Somebnody wants blood spilled....
  • Gantz_Team  - Let's hope they listen!
    Excellent job Justin. Let's pray to god that they listen to what you like many of us have to say about how they're "greedy, self-absorbed, fat, lazy fucks that don't want to take the time to serve gamers because you would rather piss off a large collection of gamers."
    For God's sake - who do these people think they are??? Were they the creator's of Mario,Final Fantasy, Zelda, Metal Gear, God of War, Call of Duty, or Street Fighter??? NOOOOOOOOOOOO I DONT THINK SO... When they make a game that surpasses the above, than they can start acting like they own this world.
    I am so glad I haven't purchased their games for years...
  • Steamboy Silly  - 600!
    600 bucks well spent!
  • TJ  - Hoping Doug Lombardi
    fires this guy and makes us Ps3 owners happy! Good thing Ted Price doesn´t insult 360 owners cause guys like this fat bastard are douches!
  • Half Assed 2: Gabe Newell's B
    Valve, or allowing EA to rape your own masterpiece...
  • Ryan  - Hahaha!
    Damn straight! You are my hero!!!!!!
  • Kris  - Agreed
    Thank you, these comments just really irk me this is really dumb. If it is for financial reasons (being paid for exclusive) or that they just are too lazy to develop or learn anything new that is fine, just don't make up bull directed towards in my opinion a great online community. I think a few of Valves games are cool looking, but I if they don't develop for the PS3 all is good I got some great games to play that are multiplatform and exclusive to the PS3. Screw em lets just play our games let them bitch and moan. PSN ID: Ironmantrunx I would love to meet more PSN community members.
  • Cruzer
    Well said man!
  • anon  - PS3
    Gabe Newell, quit being such a lazy asshole. Maybe if you actually took the time to figure out how to dev for the 7 SPU's on the PS3, you could come up with something people would buy. And don't blame the PSN, because there are consistantly thousands of people online when I play COD:WaW or Uncharted 2.
  • Norman
    this guys speaks the truth!! :D

    well said, hopefully it gets through some of thsoe thick skulls over at Valve
  • Dominic
    What a load of horseshit. You want L4D2 so bad just play it on fucking Steam, or get a 360. Exclusives should stay as exclusives.
  • peoples choda  - stay away valve ps3 dont need ya
    valve's been bashing for a long time now. they can have there washed out left4dead and orange box. there 2007 graphics are as boring as ever. maybe the valve development team should call up naughtydog for some lessons on game development. personally im sick of valves crap and will never buy there products, and yes i own a 360 valve. maybe you should keep your trap shut next time.
  • TiredofBS
    I would join the group, but I refuse to ever log into my steam account ever again. For an organization that has the nerve to criticize the social aspects of another system, steam sure is a huge pile of shit. They also can't run a public company in anyway that garners the least amount of respect, talk about a lack of understanding about social values. Have these hacks ever opened their mouths without putting their foot in it?

    360 fans might take the joke that is L4D2 in their usual "you screwed me, but I'm used to it" attitude awith smile. I'm glad PS3 fans aren't standing up for their shit. Keep Valve games off the PS3 hardware, it's obvious they aren't capable enough to program any coding that is any where near efficient. I'm not even a console gamer, these guys are just pissing me off with their retarded PR and decisions.

    It's become obvious that Valve isn't the developer everyone makes them out to be. They have good design, but their technology is extremely dated. I'm s...
  • aeriotype  - Don't matter to me.
    it doesn't really matter to me. The only game i could even play with out getting bored of is portal
  • Jimmy  - WOW! Talk about defensive.
    "Seriously, when the only games you have to play have the names Halo or Gears of War on them, you would have a “community” on there, would you? "


    What is wrong with journalism today? Infinity Ward also knows how popular and well marketed Live is. Same with a ton of other developers. Most people within the game industry know Live is the service that PSN is still trying to catch up with. The only counter is still the fee. So why must this site act far worse than what they are accusing Valve of doing?
  • Lloyd  - Right to Criticize
    Valve has the right to criticize whomever it wants. But, it is true that Valve has a vested interest in the success of the 360 because it refuses to develop for Playstation. To me, this is a shortsighted and dangerous business model for them and very unfortunate for PS3 owners. Valve makes good games and always has. But it is cutting itself off from a growing market of gamers out of laziness and that's a stupid way to go about things on their part.

    Prediction: If and when the PS3 install base matches (or comes closer to) that of the 360, Valve will suddenly have a miraculous breakthrough in PS3 development and out of nowhere Valve games will show up on Playstation.

    For now, they just have to keep hoping that the RRoD's will stop and the 360 wins out. Bad strategy, if you ask me.
  • NotComingBack  - Wow...
    Regardless of the content of this article... This is just bad writing/journalism. No wonder this site is looking for writers.
  • Holden  - Wowzers...
    You, my dear internet writer, are a Class-A PS3-Supa-Fanboy. Congrats.
  • Holden  - Oh yea also...
    Just because you can write something on the internet does not mean anything. You are the exact type of person I would imagine to be that shy little fag that sits in Math class all alone reading a book about ancient myths and dragons like a complete homo. You obviously have never signed into Xbox Live. There is a reason twice as many people have Xbox Live as PSN, even when Xbox Live is $50 a year and PSN is free. If you just thought about that comment, and that comment alone, you might get past your blind, ignorant fanboyism. The reason the PS3 is a great system is because of the atmosphere it makes for playing single player games or games with real life friends that come over to your house. It is sluggish and very awkward to use online. If you think otherwise or try to say "ITS FRi3nDlyness is above Ev3ryting" then you are a dumb-ass, and should never be caught typing on a keyboard again. The Xbox 360 is the console to buy if you are looking to play online with a bun...
  • Darkie  - ok
    So let me get this straight, some moron in Sony marketing claims Flower can only be done on PS3 and we hear nothing from the hacks who write crap on the internet.

    A well respected long time developer states the obvious fact that XBL is easier to produce community based games on than the poor man's XBL; PSN, and we get this excuse for an article, filled with personal petty, and irrational bull shit, and an army of morons coming out to support it. Grow up sony fanboys, you pigs are the scum of the internet, I just can't say that enough.
  • Justin  - Ah, fuck me
    For the last fucking time, those other people you keep bringing up never trashed other systems as wildly or as often as Valve has done to the PS3 and its gamers.

    Good fucking lord, now I see why no developer ever criticizes Valve over anything, and why people thank Gearbox in having the balls to do so: when someone does, they get this type of shit thrown at them.

    And then they wonder why the "personal attacks"?
  • dave  - Why are you so bothered?
    Am I the only one who thinks Valves games are overrated? HL > HL2 was mediocre and Ive played Left 4 Dead.

    Uncharted 2 dumps all over any game Valve has ever created. Look, Valve has no loyalty to any platform, this is immediately obvious as they're now charging stupid Xbox owners full price for L4D1.5.

    You really think they care? Valve are just fanboy developers nothing more nothing less. Just ignore them. Sooner or later, they will eat their words.


    Just rise above them.
  • Liplap  - re: Why are you so bothered?
    You are all just lame, i hate you all. i go get myself a sookie
  • Darkie  - here we go again
    with Uncharted 2. Uncharted 2 would not be half the game it is without all the other games, mostly 360 exclusives, that it stole its best features from. So try again.
  • The Offensive Gamer  - Valve are a bunch of lazy wankers - just look at t
    Valve are a bunch of half arsed lazy developers who should be ashamed of themselves. In fact, any company that would palm off The Orange Box to someone else because it was 'too hard' to do on the PS3 are nothing but fuckwits. They should be looking at companies like Naughty Dog, Dice or even Infinity Ward to see how real developers create games, fucking retards.

    Pack of arseholes poofters who sit around eating small children and fapping to animal porn.

    -The Offensive Gamer
  • BiosNova  - Truth!
    You speak the truth, Vale just make excuses because their programmers are not skilled enough for the PS3 and they can't be bothered to learn it.

    And BTW Game Launching in Home is NOT mandatory, they just allow you to launch unsupported games from Home and that just starts the game like you did from the XMB, unlike supported games that jump right into the multiplayer ;)

    And There is voice chat on Home but only in personal areas or if you phone a friend from the PSA
  • UltimateLoser  - Lol has Valve even played with the PSN community??
    I mean at least when I go on PSN I can team up with a bunch of strangers and get along decently, with XBL I sadly get the L33T, the FUCKER, or the MOM SHUT UP guy. We have a great community with great people, its just most of the less than stellar ones post on our boards. But hey we have great casual clans like WhySoSerious.
  • sfsdf  - Wow
    You're the biggest loser I've ever seen. The original quote by Valve was hardly worth your fanboy rage.
  • UltimateLoser  - Reading comprehension
    sorry I forgot to put the quotation marks of the namings of my stereotypes of online gaming which was instead put into caps. Please re-read with that in mind and see if your previous statement about me raging still stands.
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